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Kombi's for Sale - Centurion

Post by Derek » Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:05 pm

Over the past few months I'm sure many people on the forum have noticed adverts on Gumtree from an anonymous seller based in Centurion offering what look like restored kombi's at very high asking prices. I for one am intrigued to know if anyone on ACVWSA has actually gone out to look at any of these vehicles. At present three are advertised on Gumtree:

http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bakkies ... 0815492509
http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bakkies ... 0815492509
http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bakkies ... 0815492509

If you know who the seller is or have looked at any of the vehicles on offer please share...


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Post by fig » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:44 pm

He has another baywindow up today, slightly lower price than previous ones:
http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-cars-bakkies ... 0815492509

I suspect he is the same guy who has a wanted ad for buses:
http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-automotive-s ... 0815492509

The guy with the buses wanted ad once posted his name on the ad: Mark Jones. He also posts his email address: classicvw2015@gmail.com

I've asked for any info about him in another thread:
http://www.aircooledvwsa.co.za/viewtopi ... 84#p301984

The wanted ad used to claim that they are collectors, but they've dropped that pretense in more recent ads.

I have emailed both parties on more than one occasion and got zero response.
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Post by Derek » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:09 pm

Very strange...they seem very secretive which would make me uncomfortable as a buyer, where I prefer transparency from the outset.
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Post by brianj » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:07 pm

More likely they are on this forum and know who to respond to and who is an uneducated buyer

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Post by fig » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:09 pm

I've emailed them directly offering an oval window beetle to their want ad, and also through gumtree telling them they are selling a Fleetline not a 60s split bus. No response to anything.
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Post by fig » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:24 am

Whatever we might think about this guy, he sure knows how to find the nice ones. Here's another of his ads. His location has changed again (Sandton, Centurion and now Joburg) and he still doesn't give any info about himself or his business. He does come acorss as dodgy; it's no wonder so many of his deals fall through.
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Post by Derek » Wed Apr 13, 2016 10:14 am

That's true Fig...He must have quite a network in place and does have some great vehicles for sale...which makes me wonder as to who he actually is. He may be a well-known character in the AC community for all we know who has such a bad reputation that he now has to vet who he communicates with in order to avoid being identified...It's all very strange...
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Post by fig » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:17 am

The yellow early bay above was first posted today at R160k. Price has already been dropped to R145k and ad marked "Urgent".
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Post by Derek » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:53 am

He may know how to buy kombi's, but he sure doesn't know how to sell them :) If he put that kombi on for R 120 000 he's sell it for R 100 000 very quickly. His problem is that he is purposely excluding local buyers for some bizarre reason by pricing for his perception of the UK market. The Poms want to pay R 100 000 max for a kombi - that's what they offer me when I advertise. They still need to spend R 35 000 to export...This guy has a cock-eyed business plan which is just not working.
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Post by fig » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:51 pm

Has anyone on these forums managed to see any of the cars this guy has offered? Does anyone know who he is?

Most of his ads have no name, just "Gumtree User". Two of the ads that look like his style had names: Edward Jonker and Mark Jones. I don't know if those were indeed his ads, but they were written in the same style, with no contact details.
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Post by Derek » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:13 pm

Hehe - Mark Jones? Are you sure it wasn't John Smith? It's bizarre to me that nobody on these forums has had any contact with this guy - maybe just PM Fig if you have...
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Post by fig » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:42 pm

Haha, yellow 70 kombi now R140k.
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Post by fig » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:56 pm

I clicked on "View seller's other ads and got this, which proves the kombis wanted ad is from the same guy as all the expensive buses for sale. He once called himself Mark Jones in the kombis wanted ad. His location has varied between Sandton, Centurion and Joburg:
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The 11 buses for sale and all the Zim project buses show as a different seller, although all the ads are written in the same style, so probably the same seller. Most of these ads have said the buses are based in Kempton Park, including the first ad for the 11, which was advertised initially by Edward Jonker. The ad was edited quite quickly and now location is Joburg and seller is "Gumtree User".

Another interesting thing I noticed is the pinned map that gumtree posts to show buyers where to go is often at odds with where the ad says he is. One of his Centurion ads has a map showing Kempton Park, and his two most recent Joburg ads show location as Germiston, and the 11 Zim buses ostensibly offered by a different seller have a map showing the same Germiston location. The ad for the KG says Centurion, while the map shows Kempton Park again. It does seem they are all one seller and this business of shifting names and locations is super dodgy.
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Post by fig » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:04 am

Some more digging has confirmed that the guy in Kempton Park selling the Zim split buses is indeed someone called Edward Jonker. The slippery character selling the expensive buses from Sandton/Centurion/Joburg/wherever and calling himself Mark Jones seems to be working with the Kempton Park crew. There is a SA motoring journalist called Mark Jones, but I have no idea of it's the same person.
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Re: Kombi's for Sale - Centurion

Post by Derek » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:32 am

Inspector Fig investigates :) I think part of their problem is this lack of transparency - and their inflated prices.
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