Betty the Oval - Donovan D - ex-MINCE

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You will be completely safe with the nylock nuts but I would add a bit of Loctite tread lock to the bolts

But thats just me

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or you could drill a new hole in the bolt for the new location of the pin
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Still goofing around with the wiring and steering parts.

Here is a video of the dual indicators. The semiphores work of a rotary switch that replaced the choke able unit.


Then while figuring out the hooter on the car and checking the wires for the indicator switch, I noticed my steering column is bent and comes in contact with the outer shaft.
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The wiring is almost complete, still a bit of tidying up to do in the front and then just have to do the rear.
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Been finishing up the rear of the wiring. Bit confused as to which wire goes to which end of the bulb(high and low).
Im using the US spec wiring which includes the indicators.

When an indicator is on at the rear and the brake is applied, should the brake light on that side override the indicator or should the indicator still be on and the opposite brake light go on ? I read something like this on thesamba. Im guessing the brake lights should override the indicators ?

The brake light should be connected to the high beam on the bulb.
Does the indicator go on high or low side, and Im guessing the lights will go on low ?

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Your brake light goes to the high beam of the back light. and your park to the low.

Your indicator wire does not go to the rear light but goes through a relay which opens the brake light lead and closes the indicator lead.

The relay is feed from the live of the indicator switch. that is why you need two indicator relays, one for each side.

On braking & indicating, your brake light supply is interrupted and the indicator live is introduced.

Not sure if my explanation is clear, but do have a drawing of this on my 1952 thread.

you can also PM me if you like.

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retrovan wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:20 am Your brake light goes to the high beam of the back light. and your park to the low.
Your indicator wire does not go to the rear light but goes through a relay which opens the brake light lead and closes the indicator lead.
The relay is feed from the live of the indicator switch. that is why you need two indicator relays, one for each side.
On braking & indicating, your brake light supply is interrupted and the indicator live is introduced.
Not sure if my explanation is clear, but do have a drawing of this on my 1952 thread.
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Im using the 56 US diagram for the wiring
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The problem with that system is its not allowed in SA.

Your indicator must interrupt that side Brake, and go back to brake when the indicator is switched off.

So the indicator is the more dominant and not the brake.

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Think that diagram is a bit comfusing. It appears to show the US-only wiring and "rest of the world" wiring accidentally superimposed on top of each other. So it incorrectly appears as if the two rear brake filaments are shorted together, but still have individual fuses.
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On the left rear globe, ignore the wire crossing over to right globe. (That would only apply to standard brake light setup).
From brake light switch via fuse, only use one wire to US-style/ or "61 rest of the world" 6 wire indicator switch.
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Even on old models, VW used separate fuses for left and right rear parking/night lights for safety reasons. To prevent a single blown fuse from disabling both side's parking/ night lights. Numberplate light always "piggy-back" in parrallel on one side.

Combined US-style shared brake/indicator setup gives preference to indicator. So applying brake will light both side's lamps. Activating indicator will cause one brake light to flash while other brake light remains on as long as brake pedal is pressed.

As Retrovan mentioned, when not having the specific 6-wire indicator switch, one could use two "double pole double throw" relays to do the same function.
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You right Dawie,

but you need to remove two wires, the one you said as well as the one from the brake switch going down to the brake light terminal block.

Then it will work.

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Dawie wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:47 am Think that diagram is a bit comfusing. It appears to show the US-only wiring and "rest of the world" wiring accidentally superimposed on top of each other. So it incorrectly appears as if the two rear brake filaments are shorted together, but still have individual fuses.
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Indeed the full diagram has the semaphores included as well.

Thanks for the advice !
I do have the 6 wire indicator switch.
Will have another crack at it.
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Updated the wiring and it seems to be in working order:

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Im guessing its not but would these seats still be original for oval, or are they later or reupholstered ?
Will update with some more pics soon.

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Been going at it again. Managed to get an entire week in during the holiday period. Made a list of all the little time consuming jobs and just did it.
This includes the little things that takes about a day to do and its not even seen.

Also had keys cut for door and t-handle but struggling to get the ignition key sorted. Anyone have a SC code key for me, please let me know.
I know SC is from a later beetle but it fits in the dash and looks original.

Some updates

Installed the firewall/tarboard in the engine bay. Got it from Pro Auto Rubber, they have a few different options available. I went with the one without the silver for the engine bay. This is also the heat and stick stuff, once its on its on. Im happy with the way it came out.
I also used some of this around the beetle where I didnt stick the laykold tape.

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First time fitting the decklid. Its not 100% but trying to do it man alone without getting scratches is really hard. There is still a gap at the bottom and its hitting the body at the top. Will play around with it again once the handle is on and I have a helping hand.

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Cut all the fender to body rubbers and then fitted the front fender, finished up the wiring.

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Then onto the running boards. These are the cheap empi ones. Im quite surprised how well they fit.
But as one can guess the metal used is very thin. Currently making some reinforcement brackets for underneath the boards to take some more weight.
I pulled off the rubber that was on there and got some from pro auto rubber. The genkem reacts with the rubber which is odd. It seems to make it soft and bubbly. Its still not 100% after redoing it three times. I might redo them in future using a different glue.

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Still need to do some final trim on the rubber, will do this once everything is bolted in place to get a nice flush fit.
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Coming on well Donovan. Very cool man.
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