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:retards: I recently built a nice motor for my SC Bay, test ran it on the bench and did all the normal stuff I do to get a fresh motor off to a good life.
Couple of runs around the suburbs, all good, oil pressure 100% one small leak which was on the to do list.
Decide to give it a good run on the N12 to get the rings to seat in nicely, coming up a rather steep slope at about 100km'h the oil light comes on.
I stop climb out check all the possibilities, all looks good, I'm convinced the sender has packed up, it's a new one, :zhelp: I'm about 3km's from home, decide to chance it and drive it home with the oil light on, all seemed fine, engine was still idling nicely and sounded OK.
As I'm coming up mu drive way I hear knocking, knew immediately it was not the sender failing, it had to be due to oil starvation.
Parked it, removed the oil sender, it's dry, no oil on it WTF :zhelp: Sump is full, decided to leave it for when my head was clear, as I was major pissed off.
Never had such an incident happen on a fresh motor ever, and not as if I have only built 1 or 2.
Gave it some thought, it's obvious that there is no oil flowing, first thought the pump failed somehow or there is a major blockage, removed the tin 7 was about to pull the pulley when I decide to look at the sump plate first to look how much damage there might be, or if any metal bits were now showing.
I was shocked at what I found, no metal...... but there was something missing off the oil strainer.
The centre bit of the strainer that goes off the oil pickup was missing ?????? :shock: I take a look into the sump and there is the missing parts still attacked in 1 piece to the oil pickup, now I was talking some fancy language that even had my dogs running for cover.
The peening and or the rivet that holds the 2 pieces together failed and the spring that is in the strainer forced the centering section up and blocked off the pickup completely, I pulled it out and checked it on a loose pickup i have in my stash of parts, to check.
What i saw was disheartening as when I sucked on the opposite end of the pickup, i got a nice good seal, IE no oil would have been able to flow.
To add insult to injury this was not a China Strainer, I have learnt my lesson with china parts and stay away from them when it comes to engines.
This item was a Elring item, at least that is what the packaging said, i have another 2 identical items in stock and looked at both of them closely, no country of origin or manufacturer, tells me one thing, it has to be a china part, beware, tried to pull the other strainers apart
to see if i could get the same result as what happened in my engine, one came apart with little effort, the other was intact after trying for a while.
Lesson learnt, from now on I will re-drill these things and rivet them. :helpme:

Just as matter of interest, got a load of new Bosch items the other day, (made in Germany so I thought :deflag: ) I know that these have also been made in Portugal & Spain and not so good Brazil stuff is also around but now there is a few more you can add to the list, Poland and Turkey, is where they come from now, I know there is also china Bosch but they don't dare put country of origin on it.

CHECK, CHECK & CHECK AGAIN, that is what it will be from now on, did I say CHECk ?????? :flogging:
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I bought a parcel in from EIS parts Nov 2010. What a pile of :bn:

Not one average quality item in the lot. Every item useless and not even worth fitting.

I'll never buy from that bunch of :jerkoff: again.
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Sorry to hear of your misfortune Rui!

Thanks for sharing though!

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Hi I have also seen Elring made in different countries german is good but the one says made in USA is :bn:
I also have had good chinese parts especially oil pumps
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:( :cry: :( :bn: news Rui!
I used to work at Federal Mogul, we made pistons, shipped them to Germany where they were packaged and then they came back in nice little BMW boxes!
On the box: Made in Germany!
Yes the box was! :evil:
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VW-rules wrote:I bought a parcel in from EIS parts Nov 2010. What a pile of :bn:

Not one average quality item in the lot. Every item useless and not even worth fitting.

I'll never buy from that bunch of :jerkoff: again.
Their rubber products make pro-auto stuff look like oem GERMAN, beware.
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I felt your pain man, I was there when the strainer was taken off :( Major fcukup...... Lots of time/money wasted. Hope the damage is not to severe Rui.

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There is a huge problem with quality especialy from EMPI. I'm surprised how they get away with cheap shit quality stuff in the US...? I thought they would've been sued long ago.
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My suspision has always been that the Yanks do not buy any EMPI stuff... its only all of us that do! :lol:

They rather source better quality US made goods or buy from CSP and similar quality companies!!

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Rui, I have learnt @ school days in the metalwork class, when you measure, you measure 3-5 times before you start cutting.

I saw a guy that bought from hobbie king a RC nitro copter that is way much cheeper, but I counldnt belive the quality. (http://www.jsmodel.com/product_50.asp )

Never under or over estimate china quality
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louisvr45 wrote:Never under or over estimate china quality
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Ron&Gill wrote:
louisvr45 wrote:Never under or over estimate china quality
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Half of the WORLD is made in China I suppose!
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Damn, sad news Calooker. I hope its all repairable and not too costly.
Muderick wrote:My suspision has always been that the Yanks do not buy any EMPI stuff... its only all of us that do! :lol:

They rather source better quality US made goods or buy from CSP and similar quality companies!!

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The company I buy most of my parts from charges plenty extra, but they have good products. They also only sell 3 Empi products as they maintain the rest are crap.
CSP is spectacular, but so is the price...

Retrobug wrote::( :cry: :( :bn: news Rui!
I used to work at Federal Mogul, we made pistons, shipped them to Germany where they were packaged and then they came back in nice little BMW boxes!
On the box: Made in Germany!
Yes the box was! :evil:
So don't even trust the packaging! :(
This isnt so far from the truth. A few days ago one of our gen-sets packed up - the governor failed. So I pull the electronic governor off, take the part number, order and urgent overnight delivery from CAT. Next day the parcel arrives... inside = 1x sticker. The part number on the governor was the part number of the sticker that they fitted to the governor. Peeling that sticker off the governor revealed a stamped part number under the sticker....
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Tony Z wrote:This isnt so far from the truth. A few days ago one of our gen-sets packed up - the governor failed. So I pull the electronic governor off, take the part number, order and urgent overnight delivery from CAT. Next day the parcel arrives... inside = 1x sticker. The part number on the governor was the part number of the sticker that they fitted to the governor. Peeling that sticker off the governor revealed a stamped part number under the sticker....
:lol: I can just imagine the guys in dispatch... "What the @$%^ do they need a sticker so urgently for?"
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F&^%ing wonderful...
1964 T34 - The Razor: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=10290
1956 T2 1b - Gill's bus: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=10948
1967 T316 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=10931 & viewtopic.php?f=23&t=15977
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