Tony's 1302S
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Re: Tony's 1302S
I've gone through this topic and reloaded all the pictures that were lost in time...
Then to add to Terry's question about the difference between the 1302 and the "normal" beetles...
Have a look at the following pictures of the front suspension and compare them to the front end of the normal bug
Then to add to Terry's question about the difference between the 1302 and the "normal" beetles...
Have a look at the following pictures of the front suspension and compare them to the front end of the normal bug
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Re: Tony's 1302S
As far as progress goes on this project.
I've taken the doors off and had them repainted again as there was quite a few chip marks made by the panel guys when they put them on after the first paint.
I have also got a crankcase that I am happy to use for the engine.
I am going the type 4 route with this one. The block is supposed to be nearly bulletproof, but amazingly, I have bought and then resold 3 cases before finally finding one that I am happy to use for my project. Maybe I am just trying to be too perfect.
So far, I have opened up the case for the barrels I am planning on using as well as cut the case for the cooling system.
It seems I didnt take any pics of the cooling system mocked up, but here are two of the cutting for the barrels
Other than that, I have started making up a "Kaefer cup brace" which triangulates the back end and stops the frame horns and gearbox from moving. No pictures unfortunately.
I added a earth strap as this car didnt have one when I received it.
And I've mounted a nosecone mount for the front of the gearbox.
I'm hoping to make some more progress in August when I am home next.
I've taken the doors off and had them repainted again as there was quite a few chip marks made by the panel guys when they put them on after the first paint.
I have also got a crankcase that I am happy to use for the engine.
I am going the type 4 route with this one. The block is supposed to be nearly bulletproof, but amazingly, I have bought and then resold 3 cases before finally finding one that I am happy to use for my project. Maybe I am just trying to be too perfect.
So far, I have opened up the case for the barrels I am planning on using as well as cut the case for the cooling system.
It seems I didnt take any pics of the cooling system mocked up, but here are two of the cutting for the barrels
Other than that, I have started making up a "Kaefer cup brace" which triangulates the back end and stops the frame horns and gearbox from moving. No pictures unfortunately.
I added a earth strap as this car didnt have one when I received it.
And I've mounted a nosecone mount for the front of the gearbox.
I'm hoping to make some more progress in August when I am home next.
ANGRRR
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Re: Tony's 1302S
I can only begin to imagine what you have planned with a type 4 engine and if Angrrrr is anything to go by..... please don't leave as hanging
I'm not so clued up on the differences of all the type 4 engines.... you mentioned cooling system, is that also just by means of air and oil? Will you be going with the Porsche style alternator cooling shroud?
What issues are there when fitting a type 4 engine to a beetle, other than clearance and making the tinware to fit?
Nice work TonyZ!
I'm not so clued up on the differences of all the type 4 engines.... you mentioned cooling system, is that also just by means of air and oil? Will you be going with the Porsche style alternator cooling shroud?
What issues are there when fitting a type 4 engine to a beetle, other than clearance and making the tinware to fit?
Nice work TonyZ!
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Re: Tony's 1302S
This engine is going to be a lot tamer than Angrrr's engine. I dont want two of those cars in my garage. But I'm hoping it will still be impressive. For example, the cam has about 20deg less duration and about 2mm less valve lift.
I really wanted to go with the horizontal Porsche cooling setup, but the costs are ridiculous. So I'm converting it to T1 "upright" cooling.
Amazingly, I forgot that I actually bought a csp upright conversion kit (basically an alternator stand and a pair of fibreglass cylinder covers) back in 2005. I spotted it while looking for something else. Getting it to fit took a bit a faffing, but it wasnt too difficult with the mill.
The T4 engine is a 1700/1800/2000 from the VW 411, 412 and later baywindow busses.
It doesnt fit the bug with its normal cooling setup. Needs flywheel/crank mods to fit the beetle gearbox, needs a cooling system, the bigger flywheels need the bellhousing ground away to fit.
And as yet I havent tried to mock it up into the car, so I dont really know what is in store for me yet.
The case is stronger and the engine has bigger and more cooling fins. But.... parts are scarce and DAMN expensive. I'm trying to sell some items to partially fund the purchase of others...
I really wanted to go with the horizontal Porsche cooling setup, but the costs are ridiculous. So I'm converting it to T1 "upright" cooling.
Amazingly, I forgot that I actually bought a csp upright conversion kit (basically an alternator stand and a pair of fibreglass cylinder covers) back in 2005. I spotted it while looking for something else. Getting it to fit took a bit a faffing, but it wasnt too difficult with the mill.
The T4 engine is a 1700/1800/2000 from the VW 411, 412 and later baywindow busses.
It doesnt fit the bug with its normal cooling setup. Needs flywheel/crank mods to fit the beetle gearbox, needs a cooling system, the bigger flywheels need the bellhousing ground away to fit.
And as yet I havent tried to mock it up into the car, so I dont really know what is in store for me yet.
The case is stronger and the engine has bigger and more cooling fins. But.... parts are scarce and DAMN expensive. I'm trying to sell some items to partially fund the purchase of others...
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Re: Tony's 1302S
Any reason why you didn't use one of those industrial engines as a fresh start?
Loving the build so far
Loving the build so far
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Re: Tony's 1302S
CSP makes some nice things
Thanks for the explanations.
Will you also go electronic ignition with a crank sensor route on this engine?
Thanks for the explanations.
Will you also go electronic ignition with a crank sensor route on this engine?
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Re: Tony's 1302S
simple reason. I'm not stripping one of those brand new engines just so I can use the case and heads and then discarding everything else.Blitzkrieg wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:28 pm Any reason why you didn't use one of those industrial engines as a fresh start?
Loving the build so far
For timing I'm going to be making a crank trigger setup, but thats a project for another week/month
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Re: Tony's 1302S
Thanks for the pictures Tony now I got it.It looks pretty impressive I must say.I will have to fly down so I can go for a ride with you maybe it will sort my back out,nice job.
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Re: Tony's 1302S
Im very glad to here this.Tony Z wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:21 pmsimple reason. I'm not stripping one of those brand new engines just so I can use the case and heads and then discarding everything else.Blitzkrieg wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:28 pm Any reason why you didn't use one of those industrial engines as a fresh start?
Loving the build so far
But should you need many usable 2L parts, I can help, if we can talk about those industrial motors you have there....
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Re: Tony's 1302S
I guess I'm not getting any help from you then
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Re: Tony's 1302S
You are welcome to come visit, but I'm not going to be held responsible for another heart episode of yours...Terry Phillips wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:38 pm Thanks for the pictures Tony now I got it.It looks pretty impressive I must say.I will have to fly down so I can go for a ride with you maybe it will sort my back out,nice job.
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Re: Tony's 1302S
Another thing that I double checked a short while ago was my custom made seat mounts to fit my new seats.
I sent the seats up to JHB when the car was first getting done so they could be fitted properly.
Well, you draw your own conclusions as to the quality of the work that I got back.
And no, I didnt need to use a hammer to break those welds, they came pre-broken. I'm glad I checked this one...
Needless to say, I still consider myself more of a grinder than a welder and even though my welding is pretty poor, the end result (no picture) is much stronger than what I started off with. Ugly, but better.
Doesnt help using stick to join 4mm flats to 2mm thick box section... thats my excuse and I'm sticking with it.
I sent the seats up to JHB when the car was first getting done so they could be fitted properly.
Well, you draw your own conclusions as to the quality of the work that I got back.
And no, I didnt need to use a hammer to break those welds, they came pre-broken. I'm glad I checked this one...
Needless to say, I still consider myself more of a grinder than a welder and even though my welding is pretty poor, the end result (no picture) is much stronger than what I started off with. Ugly, but better.
Doesnt help using stick to join 4mm flats to 2mm thick box section... thats my excuse and I'm sticking with it.
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Re: Tony's 1302S
Even I can weld better than that I actually cant believe they would allow work like that leave their shop its a disgrace hell no man.
So now Turning Tony when can I book a ride in this here car I am getting jealous now with all the things you are fitting except those seats. Looking good I must say wish I could be there to see the progress. Oh well they have just blown up a substation up the road no Power until tmrw missed F1 qualifying. Thanks for the posts Tony interesting I must say.
So now Turning Tony when can I book a ride in this here car I am getting jealous now with all the things you are fitting except those seats. Looking good I must say wish I could be there to see the progress. Oh well they have just blown up a substation up the road no Power until tmrw missed F1 qualifying. Thanks for the posts Tony interesting I must say.
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Re: Tony's 1302S
My aim for this year was to finish this car... but I'm battling to find the time and keep starting other projects.
If not this year, then I'll really be aiming for this time next year.
If not this year, then I'll really be aiming for this time next year.
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Re: Tony's 1302S
I use the same formula. ......nothing gets done though
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