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benjamin wrote:If you dont get it, then its not for you..
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There is nothing to "get" Benjamin. It's just another lame trend that probably started out as something different and edgy, now it's just overdone and ho-hum. If you were one of the first to do it, good on you! If you just want to copy what you see in the mags, I guess that's OK too. Just don't pretend you're pushing the envelope or anything :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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it actually started in the 1920's
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Originally, the Rat look was a car in primer or just some black top coat. It was only a stage of restoration, it was never maent as the end state. Painting was expensive in the day. While the boys were wrenching on the rods, that was what they looked like, they were driven like that. Other called them looking like a rat. The term stuck.

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Sorry guys - there are clearly some mixed definitions happening here.
RATROD is a relatively new term - max 15 years old I'd say, and in common usage a LOT less than that.
RATBIKES seem to have started showing up at bike rallies in the late eighties.

Primered cars (as Sarel refers to) were never accepted as a final "look" in the forties/fifties when the hotrod/custom etc movement really got started. They were banned from all the meaningful shows. These guys were trying really hard to overcome a picture the mainstream media had painted of them being reckless hooligans. Organisations which gave rise to the organised sport of drag racing, land speed racing etc. Safety was also a big issue for most established car clubs (which were a big thing back then).


Certainly there were many cars that were not in final paint - being that they were the owner's daily transportation, and modifications/work was done as funds allowed.
Also cars that were used to race were stripped of unneccessary bits, and may not have looked very attractive, but it was a case of function over form.

The current "rat-look" is simply a fashion, a trend. I'd love to see evidence of this trend going back to the '20's Tony.
As far as I can see any attempt to give credence to it being "traditional" is trying to pull the wool over people's eyes.
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Rat look cars may seem like a relatively new concept, but they’re not. Spend a little time researching the scene online and you’ll find out that hot rods from the 1920’s onwards have often been styled as “rat rods”. The survival bike scenes have also played as important a role, if not more so, as hot rodding. RAT stands for Recycled Automotive Transport, and is about keeping your vehicle on the road for as little as possible, often borrowing parts from other cars. If you want to take a look at some movie influences for rat and survival, check out the 1971 American movie “DUEL” with Dennis Weaver, or slightly the slightly newer 1980 film “Mad Max” with Mel Gibson.
What is the Rat look then?

When people describe “rat look” they often have their own concept of what it is to be rat. This isn’t a bad thing by any means; the scene is that versatile. The ways in which you can style and modify a vehicle to personalise it to your own taste are endless. To someone who is “ratting” a car, it could mean simply attacking the paintwork with a sander, letting the panels generate a layer of rust, throwing stickers all over the windows and bonnet, and chopping springs. To another person, it could mean slamming the car properly with some top of the range coilovers on some immaculate euro wheels with an insane camber, spraying the car in a simple but effective matt or satin colour along with a roof rack and a few thoughtfully customised accessories.

However, styling is not the only side to a ratted vehicle. Unlike the older American way, if you delve deeper into the UK scene, you’ll often notice a surprising twist. A fully ratted car can be in A1 class condition in terms of mechanical efficiency and outright power. So that “rusty” looking VW Beetle you see sitting in your local car park may actually be in better mechanical condition, have a better power to weight ratio and also a much more lairy engine sitting under its bonnet than its newer looking sporty cousin that wears a GTi badge with its immaculate paint work…

It’s not as easy as just buying an old banger, though. There are a lot of nice cars to rat out there, but you’ll also find a lot of pre-ratted cars that simply have no style or impact, and are just an accident waiting to happen on the roads. Our scene has a lot of artistic input to say the least. Ratting is without a doubt a learning curve for most. And with phrases like “Hood ride”, “Nu Rat”, and “Drift Rat” cropping up all over the place, you may be confused as to what “Rat Look” means. The following sections will introduce you to the origins of rat, where the scene is now, what styling methods you can adopt, and where the scene is heading.

Where did rat styling originate from?

Rat look cars may seem like a relatively new concept, but they’re not. Spend a little time researching the scene online and you’ll find out that hot rods from the 1920’s onwards have often been styled as “rat rods”. The survival bike scenes have also played as important a role, if not more so, as hot rodding. RAT stands for Recycled Automotive Transport, and is about keeping your vehicle on the road for as little as possible, often borrowing parts from other cars. If you want to take a look at some movie influences for rat and survival, check out the 1971 American movie “DUEL” with Dennis Weaver, or slightly the slightly newer 1980 film “Mad Max” with Mel Gibson.

From those roots, it was the VW scene which took up the baton, becoming one of the first to really bring the scene alive in the USA with the term “Hood Ride” being pinned, which also had its own American based website and forum at the time (now defunct). In the USA they don’t have MOT’s so driving a car with rotten floor, no sills etc is legal – Easier for some than others hey! And there appeared to be a lot of rat on the air cooled forums also around this time. With the VW Camper Van and Beetle at the forefront, it wasn’t long before anything pre 90’s and Volkswagen started to have a retro following of its own within and around Europe, albeit very niche at the time. Around this time the “rat look” term was pinned as it seemed the most respectful naming convention to the original rod scene that everything had originated from so far.

As time went on it seems that the scene really expanded, especially in the last decade. I’ve created this site to cater for you guys and girls. We’ve all seen that it’s not just the VW guys involved anymore with their euro styling – everyone is getting in on the act. Typically you’ll see German and French machines taking hold of the scene in the UK with their respective 80’s and early 90’s hatchback models, whilst slightly trailing behind is a slightly smaller selection of Jap, American and British machines that have been given a taste of the rat-look. It has to be said that ‘Rat’ isn’t the same as it once was all those years ago, but that isn’t a bad thing, as the scene has progressed so far and now we have various styles all floating around the becoming part of the massive rat look phenomenon.

The styles associated with rat look

So we’ve lightly covered the rat look style and how the Hoodride website & scene has influenced it, but what about these other terms that propagates the forums? “Nu-Rat”, “Drift Rat”, “Rice Rat” etc. What do they mean and how does the styling vary to rat look?

Tramp / Drift Rat’s are generally RWD drifting machines like the Nissan Silvia/200SX, 180SX,Mazda RX-7, BMW 3-Series’ and so on that are used for their main purpose which in turn can lead to a very abused example on the outside. Typically to understand the look, just refer to any Anime/Manga post-nuclear film whereby the characters drive their Asian styled machines. You get the jist I hope.

Nu-Rat is a term used for reasonably modern cars that are ratted to a mediocre degree (rusted bonnets on near immaculate paintwork elsewhere on the car, retro graphics and vinyl, easily removable items etc). They tend to also share a lot of styling hints from the Euro/Dubbin’ scene like deep dish wheels, coilovers and so on.

Track Rat styling is quite simple. Your aim is to have a mechanically sound vehicle for track usage, with no real care on the looks side of things. Typically you’ll see overspray, dents galore, race slips, numbered vinyl designs on steelies or performance based alloys with the lights taped up. Go for scruffy with a stripped interior that you’re probably half way there already

OAP+ is not the most common of styling methods. Take something that would be considered an old codgers car, for example a Rover Metro or Renault 5 Campus in pristine condition, leave it as it is other than a huge slam and ideally a better engine hiding under the bonnet, then fill it with your typical OAP accessories, picnic rug, walking stick, national trust stickers and so on… It’s one of my favourite styles as you can’t get anymore stealth effect with very random looks to boot!.

Rice Rat’s are simply 80’s and 90’s Japanese cars (normally Honda, Toyota, Nissan and Suzuki makes) that have simply been modified and ratted. The popular term “rice/ricer” dotted around various forums aims towards Western people who have a Japanese car (import) that they modify in a purely cosmetic way and make the car seem like something it actually isn’t. An Example being a 1.6 Honda Integra DC2 with Type R stickers and badges and go faster Spoon/Mugen stickers for added effect. Purely a comedy term, the ratters have picked it up and use it also now. A perfect example of a riced rat would typically be a standard Japanese derivative car like a Nissan Bluebird, with extensive suspension and braking modifications, a high end engine of some kind CA18DET, B18 or K20 engine, with a ratted body kit and car badges from another Japanese Model of sports car – for instance a Nissan Bluebird may have Vtec and Type R stickers adorning it.

Army / Military Rat
Army rat’s are typically matt green or grey (Nato Green is the most popular colour) that have smashed through an army supplies store and came out the other side looking pretty unique. Camo netting, world war paraphernalia, empty tank shells or blank shotgun shells, bullet holes, Nazi emblems, flags, gas masks and much more besides. Attention to details is a fond favourite to this style. Gradually more and more of the ‘Desert theme’ is also being implemented into the army rat style as well! One of the best bits of this theme is that any car suits the military styling methods.

Where is the rat scene heading?

So now we know a little about where this scene came from, what’s happened along the way, the various terminology etc, so now what? Most car scenes evolve over time, just like this one has, but personally I’m not concerned in the slightest about the future of rat and where it may be heading, and neither should you. We have a great scene in the UK at the moment that’s getting bigger and bigger, and our European and International Cousin’s are gathering together and expanding the scene more than ever, so in the meantime, just enjoy yourselves on the forums and make sure that you have fun with your ratting project. After all – that’s why we are all here!
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I read it on the interweb so it must be true........???
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there are quite a few references to it on the net....
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Ok, leme re-phrase then..
If you don't get it Or dont like it THEN its not for you.
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One thing's for sure, there's definatley something charismatic bout the look
and evidently wether u love it or hate it; its gona grab ur attention.
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Barry wrote:I read it on the interweb so it must be true........???
Like the good captain Kirk said "Make it so"

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I love the rat look..the real rat body rust through time,and not via chemicals.
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I actually find that one needs to use chemicals to make the rat look appealing :wink:

Chemicals from your local Nigerian street vendor :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Would something like this qaulify for Rat?
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1972 wrote:Would something like this qaulify for Rat?
I don't know, but it definitely qualifies for Gat!!!

And three lug bolts per wheel is more HoodRide than Rat. :roll:
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Tony Z wrote:I have noticed over the last few weeks that there are quite a few referrals to cars being a "Rat Look" car.

I think its about time this topic gets discussed. If this topic offends anyone, I apologize, its not a dig at you.

I seem to get the impression there are two types of Rats around....
1) a car built specifically to look old with full proper running gear and a rock solid body with surface rust or paint that has been made to look rusty or old
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2) a POS that is rusting which people refer to as Rat instead of rotten.

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The differentiation that needs making is the difference between "Rat" and "Rat-Look".

"Rat" IS a POS held together with duct tape and household fittings. It originates from the Ratbike scene from the early 80's as a statement against the new and shiny bikes of our consumerist age. See "shabby chic" in interior decorating from the same era.

"Rat-Look" is a wannabe, or rather a DON'T wannabe. It wants to look like a Rat, but not be one. It is almost the anti-culture of the Rat, as there is loads of dosh spent on the car. It is definitely not a POS, if done right. To me, it's still not right. It's called distressing, like I used to do to my Airfix models, we called it weathering.

I suppose any good car, original or restored, with it's faults and bits of rust is simply on it's way to becoming a Rat (read POS), some faster than others, until it is restored (again) back to original spec, or Cal looker, or Rat-Look, or Nu-Cal, Nu-Rat, whatever. And i suppose it's up to the owner to decide when his original ACVW is a Rat and up to the cops to decide if it's a POS.
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Would something like this qaulify for Rat?




I saw that car in the ultra vw (i think) and it was painted like that, and it it was then clearcoated to to keep that look. Oh and it was up for sale a while back
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