Aircooled VW South Africa

Like I said Farhaad - it is all semantics and I agree with Sambabus. But FWIW to me that would still be a restoration - unless you just used the parts as patterns to make a new one from lol

I don't agree with Sambabus. I think the owner of the Ghia who invested his time and energy into his project and caused the car to be "restored", rebuilt, resprayed, or whatever was done to make it better in the eyes of the owner, he deserves some credit, not just a thumb-off because he didn't do it all himself.

I do give a shit who gets the credit because it's not so much a matter of taking credit, it's a matter of others not taking it away. My T34 is a good example. I "restored" that car. I didn't do any of the labour, but without my continuous input over 6 years, time, energy, ideas, money, that car would have been on the rubbish dump twice. Let me hasten to add that I am using the term "restored" very loosely. I know there is a specific definition of "restoring" within which the work on the T34 does not fall (at all).

The Notch is a different matter. I had it restored, by Grandslam. I drove it in one day, spent money on parts and labour, picked the upholstery colour, and drove it out 2 and a half years later. Better result, by the way, but one learns as one goes along...

Semantics I suppose, but I do get the jist of the original post...

Would imagine that one day we will get to the point that the rest of the world uses on restorations.

The Owner has a log Book, in it is the history of the Car, painstakingly accumulated over many years, and the following info PROUDLY entered.

Who did what on the car, when and the cost with receipt.

Yet when you see a Foose car, only Fooses name is on it.

When you see a Boyde car, only Boydes name is on it.

Not the guys he employed................

Just another view...

Herman

Ron&Gill wrote:I don't agree with Sambabus. I think the owner of the Ghia who invested his time and energy into his project and caused the car to be "restored", rebuilt, resprayed, or whatever was done to make it better in the eyes of the owner, he deserves some credit, not just a thumb-off because he didn't do it all himself.

I do give a shit who gets the credit because it's not so much a matter of taking credit, it's a matter of others not taking it away. My T34 is a good example. I "restored" that car. I didn't do any of the labour, but without my continuous input over 6 years, time, energy, ideas, money, that car would have been on the rubbish dump twice. Let me hasten to add that I am using the term "restored" very loosely. I know there is a specific definition of "restoring" within which the work on the T34 does not fall (at all).

The Notch is a different matter. I had it restored, by Grandslam. I drove it in one day, spent money on parts and labour, picked the upholstery colour, and drove it out 2 and a half years later. Better result, by the way, but one learns as one goes along...

Semantics I suppose, but I do get the jist of the original post...

please reread my post..I agree with you, and you me...........I started mailing noddy badges to all the "real restores" just this morning,.....they will arrive soon, keep checking your post boxes......and remember, wear them with pride guys, you earned them.

I am proud to say that Joggie is restoring my 1960 Beetle. I really don't have the know how and since I want this car restored as close as possible to the original state when it left the showroom floor, I wanted a specialist to do it. With cash-flow being a huge problem for a lot of us the project does not always go as smooth or fast as you would like. I learned that patience is a virtue and I wished that I had buckets full of money to throw at problems which raised it's ugly head during the restoration project, but my silver spoon was stolen in hospital.

I am very proud of the job that he has done and I always give Joggie the deserved credit when I show people pictures of the car. I think someone that can restore a car all by themselves has huge talent and it is a talent I wished I had considering my enthusiasm for aircooled VW's.

The ultimate prize at the end of the day is obviously finding an original car which do not need any restoring. Most of these cars are however outside my budget limit and I can only drool and dream about them. Thanks to car shows I can do this on a regular basis.

Hennie

Why not share the pleasure. I'm with Ron, it takes a partnership and ideas with the skill to do it well.....if you are super gifted then that can be the same person but mostly it takes multiple inputs, skills, etc to complete.

Ron, quick question, Jurgen took 2 years, do you have a thread, I would love to catch up on that job as one of the last things I did in SA was see the notch delivered on day 1, I left on day 2

Couldn't resist the temptation to comment here! I fall into the category of the poor KG owner that is being fleeced for not doing the actual restoration work himself. Like me, he is probably a guy who has a serious passion for AC cars but doesn't possess the mech skills to perform the necessary tasks.......does it make him less of an enthusiast? ?. Does it not allow him the spot in the sun that he undertook to have the vehicle restored?
I think anyone who judges an AC lover, especially on a public forum, is full of shit and doesn't conform to the spirit of the forum. Go and show dogs or something where that kind of rhetoric is accepted as the norm!

Excuse my ignorance, please explain the difference between an "original" and a "restored" vehicle,! Would it mean an original has no work done on it?

The bottom line is that the AC is saved from the scrap yard.
You can have a qualified motor mach. make a pigs ear of a project and it will look like , and you will get a novice like yourself, that will pay attention to detail, when you supervise some one else to do the work, and it comes out like a million dollars.

The "original" car is one that still stands in its originally applied paint, and seats and all as when it come out the factory.
This includes all the scrapes and dents, rust marks, and tears that proves it has provenance.
A "Restored" car is one that has been rebuilt, with every thing replaced or rebuilt, with new paint, seats, all new, but in the style of the original car.
The original car with bad paint, dents and scrapes has more value then a fully restored 100% correct car.

Hope this helps

Herman