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Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:16 pm
by bugspray
3 cheers for Archie. Rather donate the vehicle to somebody in need of it, with a tiny (if you want) dedication to ACVWSA, idk. Use, dont use..

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:23 pm
by Dutch_Diver
So debate from me over for the night.........

Question before I go........why do we need sleep?

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:32 pm
by bugspray
I dont know how to post links, so somebody help me, and post a link to the stupid qestions thread. Night night dutch. Oh and you have PM

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:06 am
by Ron&Gill
Commonality of parts, new debate, old theme:

Commonality (n) Synonym: harmony, Ha! Have a laugh with me at our own expense.

What I’m on about is this: across the harmonious ACVW range of vehicles, there is hardly any commonality! My sortie into Gill’s bus mods showed this clearly, longer gearbox, different backing plates, clutch cable too short, hand brake cables too long, one RGB different from the other, like half an upgrade, sigh… We didn’t even touch on the front beam… Clutches, release bearings, flywheels, starter motors. Carbs, dizzies and fuel pumps. Master cylinders, slave cylinders and even brake pipe fittings! Swing axles, IRS, torsion bars and McPherson struts with link pins or ball joints, take your pick. Door handles, sun visors and petrol caps! Even wheel nuts!! Did they ever stick by a decision?!

VW changed everything about, not only between types and models, you know, like the Kleinlieferwagen (T147), with a T1 pan, T2 rear and T3 front (to be an all rounder, all it really needed was a T4 engine, and it may well have had in ‘72-’74, dunno). But also from month to month (forget year to year) and from one country of origin to the next. Lowlight gave way to American spec T14’s forever robbing us of the elegance of the lowlight Ghia (the same spec incidentally prompted the invention of pop-up head lights in other makes) and ugly fat bumpers and elephant foot tail lights, VW producers across the globe did whatever they fancied, I swear!

I hear the famous words ringing in my ears “Oh, it’s an ACVW,” while the expert is peering up its skirt, “I know those.” If I ever hear that again, I’ll say, “You know nothing, my friend, except maybe that what you’ve rebuilt yourself.” Anyway, if you actually need to peer up its skirt to recognize an ACVW, despair not, for you are halfway there, considering all those that dabbled: Karmann, Hebmuller, Rometsch, Landau, Stoll, Papler and even Ivan Hirst himself with the one-off Radclyff Roadster (1948, the first hi-performance twin carb?) and you may be forgiven for not recognizing one occasionally. And we haven’t been to Brazil yet.

The only thing you can safely say is “It’s got an air cooled four cylinder boxer engine”, you can’t even add “and it’s in the back”. See the VW Hormiga…
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Front wheel drive air cooled 4 cyl boxer

The ACVW enthusiasts will know, or find out soon enough, that the commonality of parts shows up in the most UNexpected places as opposed to the expected, and that you best take the old part with you when picking up the new. VW has more shared parts in the WCVW range that the ACVW range, for sure.

Which in turn leads me to the other post, in this thread: Original? What is original? How can we keep our cars “original” if VW couldn’t! And who’s to tell that it isn’t with so many differences applied haphazardly across the years and randomly across the globe? The only “original” Beetle, my fine friend, was Number One of twenty one million, five hundred and twenty nine thousand, four hundred and sixty four, give or take a couple. (ref: Wikipedia)

LOL Oh! ACVW enthusiast, ye brave, brave fool…
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The ONLY original?

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:03 am
by Tom Bishop
And that is not a Beetle nor a VW.

To All the Audi Lovers. Is it not just an expensive VW with a motor sticking out to much in the front.

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:13 am
by Ron&Gill
Actually, it is the volkswagen (no capital letter). It's the one made by Ferdi Snr. But you're right, it was not made by Volkwagen, since VW did not exist yet. And you're right, it's not a Beetle either, but then, the only Beetle ever marketed under the name Beetle was the New Beetle as the others were all officially called Type 1 Sedan. Beetle was only a nickname which was never adobted by VW.

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:28 am
by Chris
Was the name "Beetle" then only marketed by magazines,or was it not paid for by VW themselves?

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They used the name "Bug",and Afrikaans ads used the name "Kewer" (Beetle) as well.

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:49 am
by Ron&Gill
From Wikipedia: (I know it's not the be all and end all...) Searching for VW Beetle in fact redirects to Volkswagen Type 1

"The car was originally known as Käfer, the German word for "beetle", from which the popular English nickname originates. It was not until August 1967 that the Volkswagen corporation itself began using the name Beetle :shock: in marketing materials in the US. In Britain, VW never used the name Beetle officially. It had only been known as either the "Type I" or as the 1100, 1200, 1300, 1500, or 1600 which had been the names under which the vehicle was marketed in Europe; the numbers denoted the vehicle's approximate engine size in cubic centimetres. In 1998, many years after the original model had been dropped from the lineup in most of the world (production continued in Mexico until discontinued, officially on 9 July 2003[2]), VW introduced the "New Beetle" (built on a Volkswagen Golf Mk4 platform) which bore a cosmetic resemblance to the original."

Aldus wiki...

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:13 am
by Bad Ass Bob
XP pro / vista home basic

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:16 am
by eben
Where does the KDF-wagen fit in?

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:45 am
by Ron&Gill
Krag deur Vreugde, because my Afrikaans is better than my German...

It was the VW factory during the reign of the Nazis... in a nutshell. It was called KdF, in fact, the whole friggin' town was called KdF I think...

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:49 am
by Blitzkrieg
Heil you-know-who :twisted:

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:53 am
by Ron&Gill
Apparently t'was his mom who asked for a volkswagen (from him)! Didn't know people like that had mothers... Mrs Schicklegrubber...

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:56 am
by 1972
Ron&Gill wrote:Krag deur Vreugde, because my Afrikaans is better than my German...

It was the VW factory during the reign of the Nazis... in a nutshell. It was called KdF, in fact, the whole friggin' town was called KdF I think...
Ron i think you are right coz just like the wolfsburg badge that sits at the bottom of the front hood trim you got badges for each town or something like that.

Re: The Official Debate thread

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:01 am
by eben
Wolfsburg was founded in 1938 as Stadt des KdF-Wagens (English: City of the KdF Car), a planned town around the village of Hesslingen in the District of Gifhorn in order to house the workers of the Volkswagen factories.
Kraft durch Freude (KdF, literally "Strength through Joy") was a large state-controlled leisure organization in the Third Reich, a part of the German Labour Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront - DAF), the national German labour organization at that time. Set up as a tool to promote the advantages of National Socialism to the people, it soon became the world's largest tourism operator of the 1930s.