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Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:11 pm
by eben
Look how they struggle to explain themselves when provided with a comparison:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=347415

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:24 pm
by Blitzkrieg
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Just wait till the Chinese start making a knock off of the DTM shroud for $150.

Yeah, it'll suck, won't fit worth a damn and won't even cool as good as an old 36hp fan shroud but people will buy it, people will bitch and moan and the Chinese will be laughing all the way to the bank.
I love this quote!! And even if the Chinese do make one, the Marine can't sue them at all!!!!

The Yanks are so f#Ck arrogant. To them, Raby is like a God. Only he can convert Type 4s to upright :jerkoff: :bn:

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:42 pm
by Dawie
Something that is obvious cannot be patented as an invention. Surely the "down the middle" idea is obvious. People are still waiting for the patent number for the DTM. "Patent pending" has been mentioned, no details of that could be found. "Patent pending" is meant to give the creator usually an extra year or so to finish the details before patenting. "Patent pending" for 5 years and counting?

Then there is Pine's question on the previous thread on Samba,(before it was deleted):what stops VW from sueing the manufacturers of DTM for copying and slightly adapting their design?

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:51 pm
by fig
Raby has his fan club, but I've also read a lot of criticism of him on thesamba. We are not the only ones who have taken offence at his arrogance.

Personally, I think vzi wins hands down in the ignorant mofo stakes.

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:51 pm
by eben
Dawie I actually looked for the patent documents but couldn't find it. Do you have a link?

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:48 pm
by Dawie
There was another thread on Samba +- 7 months ago about Impi's conversion. Think the patent pending issue was mentioned, and that previous competitors had been shut down by Jake. Some contributors made fools of themselves and the whole thread was deleted a day later by the moderator. Could not find any patent documents.

Think something can be registered as a design,not a patent, but that means the "looks" of the object is registered and not its functionality. Dont know if that is the case.

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:23 pm
by Thumper
Sheesh, there are some rabid Jake defenders out there! If someone finishes something 6months before another guy, who can claim the "but you copied me" line????

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:39 pm
by eben
IMPI shroud in 2002:
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"NEW" feature after 2004 on the DTM T1 shroud .... some old uncle told him to add some aerofoil shapes in the shroud:
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After our extensive testing of Type I cooling systems in the winter of 2004, where we tested 14 different stock and aftermarket cooling systems, we had basically given up all hope on the Type I DTM. The system had given us very disappointing results in its ability to control head temperatures on all 4 cylinders of the engine. when an off the shelf, aftermarket chrome 36HP style shroud beat the Type I DTM in direct testing I gave up on any hopes of making it a marketable system. We did continue and finished our cooling system comparisons and attained valuable data that NO ONE else has concerning the hidden truths about cooling systems that are on the market today.

It seemed that no matter what we did to the internals of the system, nothing helped it to cool better. We tried more cooling vanes, less cooling vanes, differently placed deflectors, different drive ratios and fans. We even tried drilling holes in pertinent areas of the shroud in hopes to make it actually work as well as the Type IV DTM!

As a member of many online forums, I shared my testing results and disappointments with the Type I DTM with the world. Almost immediately following the announcement that the Type I DTM was to become a part of history my inbox filled with emails and the forums were buzzing with individuals urging me to somehow make the system work. Not being an engineer, or cooling system expert I was not sure I could make it a reality. the testing had taught Brent and I that without a few key ingredients any cooling system would not function correctly, and one of those ingredients was air pressure- then I had an idea!

The Type I DTM did have a very strong edge over the other systems, and that was it incorporated a Type 4 oil cooler and shoved alot of airflow into it in Joe's design. Knowing that I decided to take a break from the system for a few weeks and come back to the DTM after I finished a large project for a customer that had a timeline. I did research and talked to many people outside the VW industry about cooling systems and basic airflow. Each of them had a different idea, but almost all them told me that the system could be made to work if the pressures inside the shrouds upper plenums could be raised high enough to overcome the static that creates turbulance.

Then one night I called Mr. Bob Hoover, a VW veteran that was good friends with Joe Locicero, the inventor of my DTM systems. Mr. Hoover is a wealth of knowledge and said that he knew the problem and that he and Joe had discussed it in the past. He went on the explain to me that the stock cooling system used an "Eipper 320 series" AIRFOIL in its design!! Then it hit me, and I felt really dumb that being from an aircraft background I had never experimented with a vane shaped like an airfoil to speed up the air as it made its way through the shroud. It was very odd that I had talked to several engineers that were experts, but Mr. Hoover brought up something that they never did. When I asked one of them about it he said "its not the key, there are more important issues to overcome".

As time and testing would tell, the airfoil was the key and Mr. Hoover was right! It was no wonder that adding regular old "vanes" to the shroud produced worse results in the early testing- they simply CAUSED problems and created more resistance, and kept more air from going to the left bank cylinders. By adding airfoils the air is literally sucked over the leading edge of the airfoil, and sped up over the trailing edge of the airfoil, while helping to build plemum pressure. This pressure allows the air to be more easily directed by deflectors and less detailed types of vanes to the hottest parts of the heads! That area, by far is the exhaust ports!
quote from aircooledtechnology.com
I've been trying to find the patent documents to see exactly WHAT is patented but it is exceedingly difficult to find.
Now if you want to tell a guy not to copy you then he has to know what you are talking about doesn't he?

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:41 pm
by vader
Dam these dudes are thick as planks....

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:53 pm
by eben
For comparison:
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Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:06 pm
by vader
Come on Eben how dense can you be??? :twisted: :twisted:

Its plain as day to me!!!

They are both black..
They both have a place for the generator to bolt on.
Both of them have round holes...
They both fit over the engine of a T1..
They both supply air flow over the barrels..
They both supply air over the heads for cooling....
They can both stand upright with out being bolted to the engine...
They have been modified for better cooling...

They must be copies of each other.... :jerkoff: :jerkoff: :jerkoff: :finger4u:

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:54 pm
by Chris
Dawie,I was the one that took Raby on himself on VZi.He later e-mailed me and threatened to sue me because "obviously you(me) have interests in the shroud,otherwise why would I defend Impi?"

I told him his patend pending will never hold up in a court of law.If someone was to copy his shroud and with even one little change,will never win one case.I told him he is arrogant and should rather focus on his bussines than try and threaten people that has more experience then he will ever have.

He obviously had the thread closed after that,and we continued talking via e-mail which I posted on this site.

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:07 pm
by Chris
And BTW,his patend pending isn't worth the paper it's wriiten on in SA.it's only for the USAI

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:52 am
by Thumper
The way these guys are getting upset is almost comical. Has there been other attempts to 'steal' the DTM design that they are so over protective?

As an example: If you want to build an industrial fan, you will need:
1, a casing or tube. You cannot copyright a circle....
2, An electric motor. Once again plenty different versions out there, they all do the same job, different paint.
3, Arms, mountings to centralize the impeller/motor assembly. What are you going to call unique? the 90 degree bend on the steel arm?
4, and impeller. AH, here you can have patents. However, you will need a hub and clamp to hold your blades/wings on. it will need a bore machined into it, and a keyway. The blades will need to be evenly spaced around your hub, for balance. The blade will need an aerofoil profile to get the air to move. they must be set at an angle to displace the maximum air as your motor can supply.

Congratulations! you have an industrial fan that looks like any other fan made over the last 80 years!

The only way to set them apart is to take dimensions of the components, the degree of the 'twist' in the blades, the material used etc etc.

So even if the DTM and the IMPI 'looked identical, which it doesn't, all you need to do check if a copy was made is to cut them open and check the details. And we know that here the whole argument falls flat.

Re: Which has the most ignorant mofos? thesamba or volkszone?

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:50 pm
by Tony Z
If it wasnt done in the USA then it must have been copied....