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Comfused about rear window and indicators...

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Hi Guys

How can some split screens have indicators above the headlamps and others have them built into the headlamps. Ive seen some photos of 55's, Some with indictators and some without!

I was looking at the rear windows and I see that the split screen kombi came out with a small window as well as a deluxe window in 55-63 and a large window in 64-79. Yet is seems that the 1975 fleetline still has a deluxe window! :?
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Hi Grant

I am by no means an expert as far as split buses are concerned, but the following explanation, to the best of my ability:

- Indicators were fitted to split buses, only ABOVE the headlights, the earlier versions had a metal 'backing' for a 'nipple' type indicator, and later splits had a large oval plastic indicator lense, almost looking the same shape as the headlights.
- If you see a split bus with 'no' front indicators, it will most probably mean it is an early 50's bus with semaphore arms on the sides to indicate change of direction, and round tail lights
- Customizers often fit the indicator bulbs inside the headlights, but to the best of my knowledge it was never done so in the factory
- If you see a small bulb inside a split headlight, it is normally the park light
- A Brazilian 'Fleetline' is a strange hybird bus that has an interesting mix of older and newer Bus features, there are a lot of experts on this Forum that will be able to give you a more detailed explanation :wink:
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Split buses from 1955-63 had the small "postbox" rear window. Deluxes (15 & 23 window) buses of the same era had a slightly larger window.

From 1964-67 the rear hatch and window were widened to the full width of the bus.

1950-60 buses did not have indicators, instead they had semaphores (little orange arms) that popped out of the B-pillars.

1961-63 buses had the "nipple" or "bullet" indicators (depending on whether you're a lover or a fighter).

1964-67 buses had the "fish-eye" or "fried egg" indicators.

Fleetlines are a breed apart. They are a Brazilian hodge-podge of assorted split bus parts, which generally resemble a 63 or so German 15-window. More info and detail on these interesting beasts here:

http://www.aircooledvwsa.co.za/viewtopi ... =25&t=9014
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So if the Fleetline is a mixter of split screen parts, when ordering parts for a fleetline over the internet form the UK, is it best to look at 1963 split stuff?
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Any Splitscreen stuff from 64 onwards.
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grant.r33d wrote:So if the Fleetline is a mixter of split screen parts, when ordering parts for a fleetline over the internet form the UK, is it best to look at 1963 split stuff?
You really need to get to know your Fleetline intimately, and how all its parts compare to German buses. There is no rule of thumb. Body is generally 63, but some parts, such as cargo doors and locks, are pre-55. Front doors are pre-60. But transmissions are 64-67. Engines are 75 Beetle spec, with 12V alternators.

Using the word Fleetline or giving your VIN will just confuse parts salesmen.

You'll just have to get to know your stuff. Providing samples of parts always works well with parts counter salesmen.
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Agree with Fig but the good part is that you can do want you want on a Fleetline, not like having a 1957 bus maybe made in May or June......

Sorry Fig needed to do :)
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Dutch_Diver wrote:... not like having a 1957 bus maybe made in May or June......
:P :finger4u:

I also used to have an April 57 kombi. I swapped it for a lawnmower.
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grant.r33d wrote:Hi Guys

How can some split screens have indicators above the headlamps and others have them built into the headlamps. Ive seen some photos of 55's, Some with indictators and some without!
Pine wrote:Hi Grant

I am by no means an expert as far as split buses are concerned, but the following explanation, to the best of my ability:

- Indicators were fitted to split buses, only ABOVE the headlights, the earlier versions had a metal 'backing' for a 'nipple' type indicator, and later splits had a large oval plastic indicator lense, almost looking the same shape as the headlights.

- If you see a split bus with 'no' front indicators, it will most probably mean it is an early 50's bus with semaphore arms on the sides to indicate change of direction, and round tail lights

- Customizers often fit the indicator bulbs inside the headlights, but to the best of my knowledge it was never done so in the factory
One sees both 1946~66 VW Type 1 Beetles & 1950~67 VW Type 2 Kombis, with customised headlamps incorporating orange 21W bulbs, to act as direction indicators.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp ... %2D037%2DC

A VW Beetle, customised in this way, is featured on the New Zealand Veedubnuts forum:

Beetle ~ Head lights with indicators

http://nzveedubnuts.com/viewtopic.php?t=855

On his Internet website, Matthew Lancaster, in Great Britain, describes & illustrates this customisation process, to a 1950~60 VW Type 2 Kombi (having original semaphore indicators), whereby orange bulbs, are positioned on the inboard side of the headlamp units:

http://www.baronvonkronken.com/

Howto section of drop-down menu

followed by

Fit Indicators to an Early (Semaphore) Bus

I have major concerns about this practice of incorporating orange bulbs, into vehicle headlamp housings! Owing to the large headlamp reflector & clear lens, the result is one of a diffuse orange region surrounded by white (i.e. reflected daylight), which is less effective in attracting attention, than a dedicated direction-indicator lamp unit, with localised, intense, uniform colour, isolated from other light sources. Direction indicators, incorporated into headlamps are even less noticeable, when either the side-light bulbs or headlamp bulbs are illuminated.

In my opinion, direction indicators with an orange prismatic lens and conventional 21W bulb, are more effective in attracting attention, than an otherwise identical lamp, having a clear "white" lens with orange-filter 21W bulb. Hence, although clear "white" lenses were standard, for Italian specification vehicles, I regard the custom modification of adopting the latter configuration, as a retrograde step which compromises road safety. Sadly, this seems to be an accepted styling feature, of many modern cars.

The following university-based research, highlights the reduced effectiveness of inboard direction indicators:

Position Of Car Indicator Lights Affects Safety, Science Daily, 29th March 2007.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 105449.htm

« People find it harder to make rapid decisions about which way a car will turn if its amber indicator lights are inside the headlights (i.e. nearer the middle of the car) than if the indicator lights are outside the headlights, according to research published today in the Journal of Applied Cognitive Psychology »

« The indicators on cars are critical safety features that enable pedestrians and other road users to predict where a car is likely to go in the next few seconds. The difference in reaction times is enough to make a significant impact on safety. »

« "Several modern cars position the right indicator to the left of the right headlight and the left indicator to the right of the left headlight, and this study shows that this design feature could reduce their safety," says Andrew Bayliss, who carried out the research. ..... »
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Let me guess Nigel ... you don't have a day job? :P
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fig wrote:Let me guess Nigel ... you don't have a day job? :P
That depends on what you mean by a day job!?!

I am self-employed as a tutor of mathematics, physics & engineering, mostly at pre-university level, plus occasionally university level study (including several Ford Motor Company sponsored, undergraduate employees to date), which is scheduled at the mutual convenience of myself, my students and their families. This typically means the late afternoons and/or evenings and weekends, but sometimes I work weekday mornings or afternoons.

Admitedly, more teaching and/or technical consultancy work, would not go amiss, but considering there is a recession, I must not complain too much!
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