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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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forcecooled wrote:That is a beautifull car!

BUT

Whilst I understand the reasons for going to the lengths of spotwelding in the same place and other authentic practices, which are to be admired

AND

Do understand why narrowed beams are needed or desired on some cars, on that bug, it does just not go with the standard motor and the peashooters

And it makes the bug look just plain CRIPPLE

There is a big difference , yet also a fine dividing line between custom and crustom---

------ Wonder if it still has drums on the front -------
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but your post above tells me that you have no idea of what Resto Cal is - you may have heard of the term but you have little understanding of what it actually is. That car follows the Resto Cal guidelines perfectly. A completely stock original car, matching numbers engine and gearbox, but lowered and narrowed with a few choice period accessories. Speaking of which - I wondered if anyone might have spotted them? Take the rear decklid trims for example - they're original EMPI and the only set known in existence in the UK. The US guys say they've not seen them before in the metal only in print.

So,going by your 'theory' above, you have pretty much discounted 90% of Resto Cals around the world as being 'cripple'. Popular belief says that you need to have a pre '67 bug to carry off the Resto Cal look so many people sell their 70's bugs to buy an earlier car or put pre '67 panels on them. The whole point of the build of this car was to demonstrate that you can successfully make a unashamedly 70's bug into a Resto Cal and going by the public reaction on its debut and number of times its appeared in the magazines this year and the trophies its won, its worked.

And yes, it still has drums at the front - you can see them clearly in a number of the pictures.
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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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You are never too old to learn... :) I've never heard of Resto Cal.
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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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What eben!didnt you watch beetle crisis that john guy built a resto cal aswell for his wife...resto over here we dont really compete style wise every guy has his own ideas for his bug,and what kind of bug he would enjoy driving...like a sa guy wouldnt see the point in droping it,puting on porche mags and all the leka (sa for nice) goodies...and not giving it the grunt to go with the looks?am i right guys,but anyway heads up to you for building this bug...no one on this site can say they have had their car showcased at such a big vw event...awsome bug!
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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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never saw that no :P

A stupid question... what is the purpose of a narrowed beam?

Has it got something to do with being able to turn a lowered car properly?
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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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Wel then you should maybe they have it on youtube...what i make from narrowed beams is that the bug can only be lowerd that low with narowed beams...or thats the most logic thing i can think of...
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Wel then you should maybe they have it on youtube...what i make from narrowed beams is that the bug can only be lowerd that low with narowed beams...or thats the most logic thing i can think of...
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Let me try and explain some stuff - bear with me! lol!

Resto Cal is the term given to a particular 'look' which originated in the West Coast of the USA. I'm sure you guys have heard of Cal Look - You could say that Resto Cal is the 'opposite' of Cal Look. There are a lot of misconceptions as to what Resto Cal is - many people think its basically a restored Californian Looker ( Cal Look). They're actually wrong!

Resto Cal dates back to the 1960's/70's and since then has developed and evolved to the kind of style which you see on the car on this thread. Resto Cal has its roots firmly in embedded in lowrider culture - VW's were seen as a cheap source for many Hispanics to lower and cruise the streets - The rich guys had their Hi-po motors, the poor lowriders had their slow cruisers.

These days Resto Cal is defined in a nutshell as a stock and as close to original as possible bug, as if it had driven out of a VW dealership and then slammed to the deck on a set of period rims, lowrider style and sporting a number of period correct accessories which were available to VW's back in the day when these cars were new. Resto Cal has a huge following around the world and has its own class at shows. The most famous Resto Cal clubs in the world are the German Folks in the US, who also have chapters in the UK and Japan and also Restowagen UK here in England. Restowagen is the highest profile club in the UK and famous for their line ups at VW shows in the UK and Europe. I'm a very active member of Restowagen UK and organise the displays at VW shows, administer moderate the forums at http://www.restowagenuk.com and many other things. Restowagen is acknowledged as having some of the highest quality VW's in the world and the standard of cars which are continuously being built move the standard of restorations in the UK higher each year. Even the US guys have come over to the UK and conceded that our cars are better built than theirs! lol! Anyway, that aside, Resto Cal is a very classic look and while it may not be to everyone's taste, it is taken very seriously by many people out there and there are constant debates on the guidelines which make a car a Resto Cal.

Resto Cals used to be cars which were simply lowered with a roofrack and loads of period accessories but now things have developed and moved in the direction of 'less is more' and narrowed beams.

Resto Cals are BIG money over in the UK and US, and very desirable Some Restowagen cars from my club have sold for around £15,000GBP (R224,900) to collectors. UK and European magazines are constantly watching the build up threads on the forums waiting to bag the first feature!

You can see a selection of some of the Restowagen UK club cars on this thread on The Samba here..

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=325072

All cars are classed as Resto Cals' and belong to Restowagen club members.

Now for narrowed beams..!

Narrowed beams were originally created to allow the fitment of wider wheels to stop them sticking out of the arches, however, as the quest to go lower continues it was discovered that 3 inch narrowed beams allow good offset wheels (4.5J Fuchs or 5.5J wheels) turn inside the arch and don't rub the lip of the arch while turning. This allows the car to be dropped so low that the wheel is entirely inside the arch and is able to turn with no interference. Then again, things developed further and the wheel tuck which you get with a 3 inch narrowed beam became desirable so people started narrowing 4 inches, then 5 inches, then 6 inches - simply just because they can. However, the maximum you can narrow a beam before the shock towers hit the inner quarter panels is 3 inches on a balljoint beam and 4 inches on a king and linkpin beam. To go any further requires a lot of modification and fabrication. As it became harder and harder to stand out from the crowd, beams became narrower for wow factor and I've seen 8 inch narrowed beams on some cars. Yeah, the turning circle is non existent, and then things start to become stupid.

Contrary to popular belief, narrowing a beam does not make the car unstable if it has been lowered. Many people believe that the front of the car will fall over, but in reality, you don't notice any different from stock width beams, except for the reduced turning circle when you go more than 5 inches narrow.

I can understand this modification leaving many of you scratching your heads and wondering 'WHY?!', but this has become a part of VW culture both in the US and Europe and this look is here to stay! There are some people who will never understand it, and others who will go - 'I like that, that looks cool!'.. they're definitely a love it or hate it thing and constantly provoke debates on almost every VW forum on the internet!

Hope that goes some way to explaining things?
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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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Thanks sorry for making you type so much but that was very educational :)

I must say that I've always wondered about narrowed beams and their effects on handling and now I know.

Not that many custom VW's around in SA but a few people are starting to try new ideas.

Thanks again!
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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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the restowagen thread on thesamba is great.... nice pics of great cars

*starts planning a trip to a show in UK next year*
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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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Like I said RC thats a lovely car. Yes i do know a bit about the "resto cal " scene,
bit its a bit over the top for us here. I love "nice" beetles and have built a few of them in my life. We tend to stick to practicalities when we build a car, so the look u went for there is not appealing to us.

To give you an idea, my ideal bug (cost aside) would be like the red street legal one that features in a few of the Custom Speed Parts drag video clips.
---no excessive negative camber, tastefully lowered, not excessively noisy--- but can run with the best of them----and then some.
OR just plain dead standard , perhaps a "unique" model like a 54/55 oval and heart tail lights with one tail pipe, or a nice clean 67 1500---
Or maybe a nice red 69 911 --- ---dreams-------

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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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Yep its like force said here in sa we build a car we can drive and there is no set styles and classes for it...i wil try and make a sort of colection of bugs making it into our mags over here and post it on the site so you can get an idea of sa style...but i think you should get more of your mates that build bugs to join this forum cause you guys can really help us guys out in building a nice vw...
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Re: My other half's '72 1300 bug

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Pass....Not a fan of narrowed beams.......
If it's too low, you're too old :twisted:
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forcecooled wrote:Like I said RC thats a lovely car. Yes i do know a bit about the "resto cal " scene,
bit its a bit over the top for us here. I love "nice" beetles and have built a few of them in my life. We tend to stick to practicalities when we build a car, so the look u went for there is not appealing to us.

To give you an idea, my ideal bug (cost aside) would be like the red street legal one that features in a few of the Custom Speed Parts drag video clips.
---no excessive negative camber, tastefully lowered, not excessively noisy--- but can run with the best of them----and then some.
OR just plain dead standard , perhaps a "unique" model like a 54/55 oval and heart tail lights with one tail pipe, or a nice clean 67 1500---
Or maybe a nice red 69 911 --- ---dreams-------

As they say--- Horses For Courses!
I can completely understand where you're coming from - Everyone has their own preferences and tastes when it comes to VW's. One thing I have noticed during my travels is that different countries have different styles and have these styles firmly embedded in their VW culture. Take France for example - they like their wild custom cars with graphics on the outside. In the UK, you rarely see any cars like these and everyone prefers to stick to a style which 'works' for them. I guess it could be called playing it safe.

The beauty of car modification is that its your car, your rules and it seems that in your case practicality comes high on the list. Whilst I'm heavily involved in the Resto Cal scene, I also own a number of stock bugs and a drag car and my next project is a big motored '56 oval. I appreciate any VW regardless of style and am interested in the details of them whether they are to my taste or not - In my opinion, those who don't are just narrow minded and you get a lot of these people in the UK and the US.

The red CSP Super you talk about is built for its purpose - to be quick and not everything to everyone is about speed. Resto Cal is the opposite of that, although the Resto Cal scene is developing further now and there are a few 2332 IDA motors appearing in Resto Cals in the UK and US, blurring the lines between Cal Look and Resto Cal now that many Cal lookers wear full trim. If you have a vision on how you would like your ideal car and it doesn't fit in any pigeon hole or so to speak, then all credit to you. It takes imagination to be innovative and to develop and build new stuff but in my experience if you go overboard or get the look wrong, it becomes seen as something too 'personalised' and here in the UK its is hard to sell on a car like that and it becomes the car which many people walk past at shows and magazines tend to ignore it regardless of how much blood sweat and tears has been put into it by the owner. On the flip side, this sort of car might be something which would get the front cover in one of your magazines and is right up your street. Personally, I'm interested in these kind of cars 'cos I like to see what the owner has done and its nice to see something different, although its not something I would personally own.

I hope that makes sense..
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dubster wrote:Yep its like force said here in sa we build a car we can drive and there is no set styles and classes for it...i wil try and make a sort of colection of bugs making it into our mags over here and post it on the site so you can get an idea of sa style...but i think you should get more of your mates that build bugs to join this forum cause you guys can really help us guys out in building a nice vw...
That would be cool, I'm starting to get an idea of the cars you guys build from looking around these forums, but a selection of pics would be good to see.

Restowagen has a Christmas Party coming up shortly - I will tell the guys about the site and try and get them over. Everyone who builds cars on Restowagen is always happy to help others out in any way and give advice. Will they be able to get access seeing as they're also in the UK?
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Yes they would.
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