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Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:27 pm
by Pine
I like Tom Bishop's idea of sealed bearings, I can recall we put them on a standard swing arm Beetle a few years ago as well..
Can anyone explain to me why it is roller bearings on one side and ball bearings on the other? According to the Type 3 boffins on TS, it is normal?
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:39 am
by mackaymanx
The ball bearing locates the axle (circlip(15) holds the bearing) and takes all of the axial load, the roller bearing takes the majority of the radial load. If you have two ball bearings the spacer(11) has to be exactally the right lenght(about +/- .02 mm) or the bearings will be preloaded axially and this will prematurelly wear out the bearings.
The roller/ball bearing set up is standard on all IRS beetles and type 3's( IRS bay window kombis are the same only bigger bearings). All the IRS trailing arms(type1 & type3) are the same apart for the mounting hole differences between the single and twin spring plate versions(all type 3 were twin spingplate and some type 1( semi-auto))
I would replace the trailing arm bearings you have shown. The washers(30) on the pivot bolts(31) are used to align the trailing arms to ensue correct axle lenghts. Two on the outside or one in and one out.
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Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:51 am
by mackaymanx
Bearings
x2 6206 C3 62x30x16
x2 315840 (NU 206) 62x30x16
Seals
x4 62x44.5x10
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:55 am
by Pine
Thanks for the valuable info, Mackay!
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:55 pm
by Pine
Tonight I removed the old pivot bolt bush and rubbers from one of the trailing arms. Pushed it out with the bench vice after oiling it up, and it came out quite easily. The bush of the new red urethane rubbers are indeed too big as Tom Bishop said, but it looks like I will be able to use the original bushes (strangely enough, a two-piece per side) with the new rubbers, pics to follow tomorrow.
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:36 am
by hitlers revenge
Pine, I would replace the bearings now. Just think of all the work you had to do to get those bearings out. You are gonna get your bug going in a few months time and 100 km's down the road one of those bearings are gonna pack up. Murphy's Law. My 5c. Your call.
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:13 am
by Pine
Yip, I will replace them
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:25 pm
by Pine
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:40 am
by Pine
Removed the IRS 'box from the 1302 the weekend. After some queries on TS w.r.t the 'AT' stamped number, I have learned that it is actually a 1303 'box, and specifically also fitted to the cabriolet. It has the following ratios, which makes it perfect for my intended use in the buggy, namely normal street cruising:
3.875 R&P with 3.78/2.06/1.26/.93 gears
Gearbox code - decoded
AT 07 09 3
Built Sept 07, 1973
It currently has the wrong nosecone, but it will be replaced by this one, which is correct for the chassis. Pic taken after I have cleaned it, note the reverse light switch at the front right, just above the part number

Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:50 am
by Blitzkrieg
These IRS 'boxes are pure unobtainium!

Could this be the first IRS buggy in SA?
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:54 am
by Pine
I believe there to be quite a few, especially off-road racers. A while ago I saw a new Lolette body being pickup up at Volkspares, that was also headed for an IRS chassis. It looked awesome in colour-matched Kawasaki green

Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:40 am
by dubster
and that rotor buggy i posted pics of a while ago had irs suspesion with bilstein shocks alround...aperntly worth 20 k...
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:00 pm
by Pine
Here's a little experiment I did this morning. The nose cone needs a gasket of the thin paper type where it goes onto the gearbox, so I cleaned it from all grease and oil and put it inside the scanner, face down
If you scan it at 100 dpi, you get an exact 1:1 representation of the shape of the nose cone, it can now be printed on thin carton, and you know exactly where to cut it to make the perfect gasket
I have now seen for the first time the exact position of the breathing hole of a gearbox (yellow arrow). The red arrow is the cavity that the air follows to escape the gearbox. Other than the little hole, the rest of the box is perfectly sealed. Serious off-road races cut a thread in the breathing hole, and attach a pipe to it that goes to the air filter, in order to prevent water from entering the gearbox during river-crossing. I don't think dust entering the gearbox will ever be a big problem, as air will theoretically always be flowing 'out' of the gearbox when the gears are moving?
Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:11 pm
by ZeroAxe
And where does the new 'fresh air' come in Pine???

Re: Pine's Buggy (Hot Wheels 2?) thread
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:12 pm
by Pine
Hmmmmm - haven't figured that out yet
