Subaru conversion

[Tony Z]

I didnt even consider that it may have been an offensive thing... I took it tongue in cheek - hense my reply...

But yes, it isnt cheap

[dubster]

Also didnt say it with any offence...just wanted to make a point and your name was the first name that poped up...youlle probably die of a stroke if you ever had to do the sums hahaha...cheers....

[Tony Z]

...youlle probably die of a stroke if you ever had to do the sums hahaha...cheers....

I'll do the sums after I get married

[dubster]

What so your future misses can rather kill you for the money you could have saved and spent on her....rather keep it locked up in the dark little box and just let it be your secret...hahaha...

[Hloni]

Ohk, we know a few things:

This is a bastard we talking of -

Like I always say to one of my club mates: His Beetle with a Golf 2 litre engine, is a Golf engine with a beetle body around it... :lol

The safety issue -

brakes.... WTF do you think a set of drum brakes is going to think to a 300hp car?
Gearbox. Lets say a recon box is R5000. Thats R5000 every time you decide to dice that Porsche Boxter next to you at the traffic light...

The real cost 'advantage' -

If you ever upgrade a AC motor ie: bigger cam, pistons etc, you are easily going to throw R15000 at it, so a scooby conv. at R16000 don't sound that bad at all, considering the power & reliability gain it's a damn good option. If I look at what I spent on my 2232cc motor I'm already on my 3rd scooby conversion

Now, what do some of the suppliers such as bugger have to say on this matter - tranny wise, and also I believe bugger does a number of these type of conversions. I mean, Bugger Transmissions 'buggered' the transmission for The Fly, suicyde cum angrrr, and various other beasts (legitimate and bastards ) here on the forum, and out there on the strips. So bugger, please guide us.

I do recall that this time last year we had boys throw their toys out the cot when it came to the brake conversion issue. Let us agree that one needs a 'good' set-up, whether that be well set-up drums, 4X100 PCD or 5x100 PCD. YOU HAVE TO STOP EFFECTIVELY

Impi, what is your wisdom in all of this, I mean you have built a number of mean machines in the past and you know that type of detail required in building a 'safe' vehicle bastard or otherwise

[Bugger]

Bastardising your ACVW with a watercooled or any other motor, is only for Okes who dont know how to make decent power from their ACVW engines, or who dont know how to drive their aircooled engines.[/color]

Jammer F@kken jammer Muds for running Rotary
My buggy was put on retirement in 2002 when I built the new Twin spark, big valve wara wara fish paste 2.4 Type 4 motor As I did not wanted to race it again until I have built a proper roll cage as The Flag buggy has done a 11.1 sec 1/4 mile time in YES YOU ARE READING RIGHT 1999
Now that time was not beaten till think this year by another acvw so my time as SA`s Quickest VW stood for 10Years which I think was good

But the big problem with the high HP ACVW motors for playing in the streets they just don't last and are expensive to keep up and that is why lots of guys go for the W/C conversions
Yes we all would like to have a 2.1 or a 2.3 ACVW turbo bug/bus etc but the costs are just not justifiable
I had my 2.4 motor up for sale for R25K and not even one inquiry. Why as you need another R20K to make it run in a bug with all the necessary bits


I could never do a Scuby conversion for R16k
Here is my quick basic costing
Ej20T motor R6500
EFI R2500
Adapter/Flywheel R2600
Fuel system Piping including surge tank and primary fuel pump which is very important in a bug R4000
new radiator +fan R1800
Water pipes under the car R1500
Exhaust R950
Labor to do conversion R5K
Basic costing of R24850.00 so VW Trends pricing is not out at all.

But If I have to do a Scuby conversion I will charge around R30K as there are alot of things I do extra that the guys that do it for income has to take shorter routs in doing it

Then Stage 1 transmission capable of handling street use 150Kw motor R13500


Here is a rotery one


Hi And welcome I have compelled this list to give everyone interested a indication of what will be needed to do a Propper conversion
While going through the list you will be able to Identify all your own strong points and the less stronger points where I will be able to Either give you advice or do things for you
Do not Be scared that if you have not spent any monies by me that I would not help or assist you with info This is also a Hobby for me and great when there are more Crazy Guys out there like myself

The Complete list of Equipment needed to Fit a 13B Rotary in Beetle

Price estimate
Buy Motor 13BTurbo 7500 Estimate
Adapter plate + F/Wheel (F/wheel on EXCHANGE Bug 200mm or 2.1 228mm 2400
Counter weight 1550
2.1 fly wheel 650
2.1 clutch and pressure plate specially built with harder clamping pressure still soft on Pedal 1850
special starter for 2.1 f/w in beetle new 1150
Exhaust 63mm 2 X 90 deg bends + tail piece + silencer 1500
Cone air filter 550
Efi Gotech or Microtech Microtech 11500
Surge tank 750
Surge tank fuel supply pump 550
Efi fuel pump 650
Fuel piping low and High pressurs 1250
plug leads 550
Radiator 3 series E36 BMW 1450
Rediator fan flat 16 inch 850
Rediator reservoir bottle and water hose 750
water pipes made up front to back steel + rubber conecting hoses 1750
Oil cooler pref rx7 or big Merc one 1350
Oil cooler piping Descent crimped with fittings 850
Acc cable in sleeve 350
Golf 1 acc pedal + lever 300
engin oil+oil filter+fuel to start engin 400
Water level safe stop NB NB!!! If water pipe comes off save motor exc fitment `+-2550
Consumables 850
Boost guage 650
Water temp guage 550
Blow off valve 750
Rear cross member brace for motor to help with wheel hop (Get built on car) 950
Sundries 250
Labour 5500

Total 49950
Back engin Mounting solid type 365
Mid mount bracket 350
Front solid mounting 395
Squat bar include 2 side brackets to make mount (EXLUDE Chain or Leather strap ) 650
Side spring plate covers 600
Adapter plate + F/Wheel (F/wheel on EXCHANGE Bug 200mm or 2.1 228mm) 2400
Turbo Upgrade 5500

Rear cross member brace for motor to help with wheel hop (Get built on car) 950
Counter weight 1550
Stage 1 Performance transmission 13500

Front disc brakes 4x100PCD complete kitt inc new pads 2250
Back disc brakes 4x100PCD complete kitt inc cables and brake pads 3350



So feel free to comment Muds

[IMPI]

Demonstrating my 411 turbo in the drive way minus one gearbox.
(you wont believe the flak from the seatcover)
I have found that less is more when it comes to aircooled performance
around 60 kw makes for a very nice beetle or type three
(this is why the datsun 1400 is so popular amongst some people)
More performance gets you into trouble easily handling, brakes,airodynamics etc
I believe that even a std 1600 runs out of brakes much too quickly.
BUT if I were to do a conversion It would be a subaru.
Armand

['72]

Hi guys
Seams the conversion price has increased to R17500 but regardless includes a CARB suby motor (1800 if i'm correct) with all the piping, radiator, exhaust, complete modified fuel system with 2 pumps and regulator, safety valves, adaptor's, mountings, tuning and an exhaust which sounds similar to a beetle during idle (completely different story when you rev it) this also includes the labour.

I'VE BEEN TOLD YOU WILL HAVE TO UPGRADE BRAKES, SYSPENSION & FIT WIDER WHEELS AND TIRES TO MAKE THIS A VIABLE DAILY DRIVER.

Hope this helps someone..

[Hloni]

Thanx both to Bugger & '72 for the detailed info, you chaps are stars!
Am I correct though in believing that the tranny would need an upgrade in both conversions?
'72, what is the "average" output on that motor quoted?

[Bugger]

Now N/A is a different story much cheaper
Why 2 fuel pumps for n/a?

[dubster]

Ahhh now n/a is a different story doesnt make nearly as much power and doesnt need efi to run....hloni google is your friend but i scheme it should make around 80kw which would still push a bug around with ease....

[Hloni]

N/A ?

[dubster]

Normally aspirated meaning it uses no turbo or supercharger or even nitrous if you may....n/a when i said it i should have added carb fed as being easier because a n/a fi motor would still need a fuel management....

['72]

130hp, just shy of 95kw if i'm not mistaken.

[dubster]

You dont maybe know exactly what motor it is they use?