Wasserboxer engines

Blitzkrieg · Post by **Blitzkrieg** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:36 pm

What's the deal with these?

Are they suitable for use in a mild performance application?

I believe that they suffer from head stud corrosion issues, but if you look at the 2,1's standard power output (82kw and 174 nm) it could be some fun if you tweak it further...

Comments?

Post by **Pine** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:38 pm

The best 2.1 wasserboxer I've seen is Hannes Schnetler's Notch. But, alas, it has a radiator up front....

Blitzkrieg · Post by **Blitzkrieg** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:46 pm

I can get a running, healthy sounding Wasserboxer for a brilliant price...

The owner wants to convert to Ford V6 power

(Ass)

That Fasty seems to have a radiator, so it wouldn't be a major hack as such

Can't wait for the New Year

Post by **Pine** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:48 pm

EFI or carb?

Blitzkrieg · Post by **Blitzkrieg** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:50 pm

2,1, still running the EFI system....

The deal includes the computer box and associated harness

Post by **Pine** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:04 pm

BUY IT!!!!

Post by **Tony Z** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:42 pm

I have been for a ride in a bug in the UK owned by a guy who works for Porsche. Waterboxer turbo. At that stage it only had 180hp on the tyres... The last time I heard about that car, his tyres slipped off the dyno at 472hp and he was running 9.xx sec 1/4 miles and using it as a street car!!!!!
But dont forget his engine management system cost 6000 pounds

Post by **Bugger** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:47 pm

I am currently reconing my moms 2.1 that I originally did in 1993 and all that was the problem was the haed rubber gasket perished and the bus did more than 250 000 km pistons still useable bearings was still fair and the block will need linr boring from rubbing on the centre of the cace from old age and was treated with FUTRON oil for it s life span

The only draw back of the 2.1 are their conrods that must be properly crack tested shot peened and the stretch bolts removed

In a bug these motors are 100% better than a Type 4-- power and reliability

but then its not aircooled any more choices choices choices

Dawie · Post by **Dawie** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:56 pm

Also heard about the conrod problem with wasserboxers.There was a place in Kemptonpark that specialised in wasserboxers,went there many years ago (to exchange a 82mm Oettinger crank i had for a 76.4mm Oettinger crank).Spoke to the main mechanic.He said from about 120000 many new wasserboxers snapped their conrods for no apparent reason.
When they opened these,the bearing surfaces were still excellent,just the conrod had snapped and ruined the case.He said they threw away all used conrods,irrespective of condition and replaced them with new ones.(Then wasserboxers were still in production,so spares availability was different.) Thought it was the high compression of the 2,1 But a neighbours 1.9 (low compression ratio ) did the same.Plenty of used spares available from these in newspapers.

Post by **Bugger** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:50 pm

The place you revering to is Volks engin change one of my good friends used to work there Marius who stays down in South port now and that is where I learned alot of the WBX`s
The 2.1 had stretch bolts and 1.9 not from a lot of milage the stretch bolts would sometimes stretch and the bearing would turn and snap the rod

And as Dawie has said many a times a 2.1 would just snap the rod due to the diverent Harmonics in the 2.1 than a 1.9 when I build the 2.1 I try and use 1.9 rods they have a lot less stress on them than 2.1

But I just orderd a set of Uni tech Scat rods for $139 and that is cheap insurance

In a beetle one has not got all this hassels with w WBX the motor is not working half as hard as in a Bus full of passengers and the trailer behind

I love the WBX motors and are buZy with a 2.1 Turbo project as well for a friend

Dawie · Post by **Dawie** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:43 am

Thanks Bugger for that info,always wondered what caused the rod failure.Never had a wasserboxer,has an Oettinger wasserboxer crank in my beetle.When i was there (Long ago) they had at least 50 Oettinger cranks that came out of engines,both 82mm and 76.4mm stroke.They are counterbalanced and of a very hard material,could be chrome-moly?

Merlin · Post by **Merlin** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:08 am

Bugger wrote:The 2.1 had stretch bolts and 1.9 not from a lot of milage the stretch bolts would sometimes stretch

Post by **Pine** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:20 am

Like lock nuts and self-tapping screws.

Can't get the wing nuts to fly, tho