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Since I have been home during Winter this time around, with little more to do than freeze my gat off, I finally have had the time to make some progress on my engine.

In the past I had a few issues with oil pressure dropping off at higher RPM. So after this happening a few times and twice at 6000rpm, an oil change was needed. Not surprisingly the old oil had a few shiney bits in it. So yea, well, guess what that means.... rebuild time

So while back at work last time, I ordered a few items for the rebuild (bearings and some extra toys and tools).

Let the fun and photos begin....

Engine apart
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Seems the cam and followers are in nearly perfect condition. All the bearings are also in pretty good condition.
So yea, no idea where the shiney bits came from, but hey, engine is apart now, time to get on with it.
From what I can make out, the 30mm oil pump and 10W60 oil combo wasnt such a good idea. It looks as if the oil was being pumped out of the sump quicker than it could return.

I found 2 high spots on the crank which had picked up. So I polished these off.
Also did a few minor mods to my crankcase to help oil to drain back to the sump quicker.
Cleaned everything in paraffin then cleaned again with acetone before assembling.
Got all my new parts out and ready to go.

Downsized from a 30mm modified full-flow pump back down to 26mm. I am also now using 15W40 oil.

Time for some pictures and explanations
cam bearings
These look in pretty good condition. I probably could have used them again, but decided to upgrade my cam to a 310deg unit for the hell of it, so went with new bearings.
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Then on to my new main bearings...
I ordered these as they were advertised as steel backed bearings. Well, not only are they stronger than the aluminium backed bearings, they also have a few changes to them. The oil groove which runs around the bearing is now at the back of the bearing, thus making the bearing surface larger and thereby reducing load (pressure) on the bearing. Also gives the oil a better chance to work. The groove is at the back of the bearing with 2 entry points near the case split.
You can also see the old bearing in comparison (KS).
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Then as an added bonus, the #3 bearing which requires removal of the timing pulley to change is now a two piece unit in this bearing kit. So no removing the timing gears next time.... you can see this in the pic of the crank to follow.

Previously I used a fancy pants timing gear of which only about 180 were made. This was a helical gear with a lower angle than stock, putting the angle between stock and straight cut. This was supposed to reduce side loads (thrust) while keeping the cam quiet. It worked, but the cam gear itself is pitted pretty badly (all the shiney bits maybe?). No option here but to suck it up and go for the straight cut timing gears. This is the one item I didnt want to buy as they are loud. Count your blessings if you have not heard a set.
So yea, no option but to fly in a set.
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You can see all the washers.... these are for cam timing adjustments. I installed mine straight up at zero as the cam was ground within 1 degree of the manufacturers spec, and I think he knows best which is why it was designed like that. I can always play around later if I so desire.
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And the crank (without the #3 bearing)
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Then onto the flywheel. It appears to have lost the fight against my 4 puck copper clutch and was a bit scarred and warped.
Had it skimmed flat again and then had to have the crank and flywheel re-balanced. It was about 30g out of balance after the skimming.
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Decided to get my hands on a 36hp style fan housing to free up a little bit of space in the engine bay for the carbs and anything else that needs space. Then modified the fan housing to suit my needs.
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And then the engine came together...
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and for the heck of it (bragging rights)
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The initial startup went fairly well, but right at the end of the cam break-in I had a nice drip starting that was coming out of the case where the #2 barrel slots in.
Out with the engine again.

Tear down to the short-block. Found that one of my barrel shims had folded over on itself and this caused the leak.

Put is all back together again.
Yesterday was the startup and test. Vader was on site to help out looking for oil leaks and such.
All went well.

After startup and checking for oil leaks, we went for a test drive. 20km at 120km/h.... all well.
Did have a small issue with my linkage which needs tweaking, but otherwise all went well.
The 310 deg cam definitely comes alive around 4000rpm, but with the engine being a 2332, it isnt difficult to drive at lower rpm. To be honest, it feels fine even when putting your foot down at lower rpm, but you definitely notice everything starting to work together properly at 4000rpm.
I think I have a bit of detonation above 5000rpm when putting my foot on the floor. Fuel ratio seems good (I have an AFR gauge) so it must be timing. I'll get around to that in the near future.

Still a few more bits to report on when I take photos. (Yes Wentzel, it works, will do the write-up in a few days)

If I get a chance before I go back to work, I'll be neatening up some wiring and doing some tuning. Baby steps.... I am in no rush (which is why it is progressing so slowly ( - and spending time on Vader's engine for the Tie-Fighter isnt making my projects go any faster).
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Looking good :hangloose:
What management are you using for the ignition system?
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arnocill wrote:Looking good :hangloose:
What management are you using for the ignition system?
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What cam you running now and what followers? I got Engle FK87 and Fk10, still not decided on which to run, also got Engle lifters & CB lightweight set, decision time for me.
Let me know your spec, it's nice to know what works. :zhelp:
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Progress! Good job Tony. :hangloose:
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calooker wrote:What cam you running now and what followers? I got Engle FK87 and Fk10, still not decided on which to run, also got Engle lifters & CB lightweight set, decision time for me.
Let me know your spec, it's nice to know what works. :zhelp:
Hey Calooker

My CR is 10:1
My cam spec is 310º advertised, 273º actual with 14.05mm lift using 1.4 rockers
The K10 is 310 / 266, 13.69mm with 1.4
K87 is 320 / 276, 14.26mm with 1.4

So its spot in in between your two options.
O yes, I am using the lube a lobe lifters (SCAT).
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But what Tony didnt say was that his Oil primer pump is LOUDER than most 1600 engins at full taps!!! :shock: And once it is started the cam gear are as loud as standing next to a Disco speaker in a night club at 3am!! :twisted: Fully Cool & All!! :hangloose: :hangloose: And the sound of those carbs is Fanf#ckentastic!!! The exhaust note leaves a wet spot in the pants!! :mrgreen:
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Thanks Vader, got the picture. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Glad it works Tony. You will be using it for priming only hey? I never really used it since I had other issues. Don't forget to give us some info on the rear suspension anti-roll bar setup.
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Well I took a few photos of my other little project. However, the pics dont make sense no matter which way I rotate them... so no pics.

A while back Wentzel had an electric oil pump for sale on the forum, so I took the plunge and bought it. Why? (short story) Because I am lazy and like the convenience. ;-)
OK, Long story. With me working away and not starting the car for months at a time, when I get back and want to start the car for the first time, I need to remove the pushrods and spark plugs and swing the engine over on the starter motor to get oil pressure and ensure the oil filter is full. So a while back I made up an easier version with an old melling oil pump which I could plug into my deep sump and into a T in the oil piping. Using the drill, I would pressurize the oil system, then disconnect it all and start the engine. This made life a lot easier. But it wasnt good enough.
So I bought this electric oil pump from Wentzel and have plumbed it in so it sucks oil out of the deep sump and then pushes it into the oil system, which fills the oil filter and all the oil lines, as well as primes the oil pump. At the same time, it passes oil through the engine and onto the bearings.... All at the press of a button.
And to protect the pump, I installed a proper hydraulic non-return valve so when the engine is running, oil does not return to the electric pump.

As Vader commented, the pump itself is not very quiet, but who cares, it does the job.
As a perk, when I change oil and the oil filter, I no longer have to worry about filling the 500ml oil filter before fitting it, I just add oil to the sump, press a button for 1 min and the system is ready to go....

Currently when I have the time I am busy tweaking my timing maps. Granted, I have only had the time to go for a drive 3 times in the last week, so I am not getting very far with this...
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Wentzel wrote:Glad it works Tony. You will be using it for priming only hey? I never really used it since I had other issues. Don't forget to give us some info on the rear suspension anti-roll bar setup.
Yip, I am only using it for priming.... bloody fantastic and convenient.

The rear-anti roll bar setup....
I was never happy with it. Not because of its function, but it shared its mounting point with my mid-mount on my gearbox. So I couldnt really mount it properly.
That said, I sold it to Vader.

I made a few modifications to the braces that Bugger fitted when he build my gearbox and this allowed my old camber-compensator to be fitted again (it didnt clear the braces). So now I have my old setup back in action, which I was very happy with originally.
As far as the anti-roll bars performance, you will have to chase Vader up with the tie-fighter build...
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I'm glad the oil pump does the job Tony. The brace u use is similar to the kafer cup brace? Rear suspensionm and shock towers?
Keep the updates coming pls. Do you think there is a major change in power with the new cam?
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Then onto the flywheel. It appears to have lost the fight against my 4 puck copper clutch and was a bit scarred and warped.
Had it skimmed flat again and then had to have the crank and flywheel re-balanced. It was about 30g out of balance after the skimming.
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Wentzel wrote:I'm glad the oil pump does the job Tony. The brace u use is similar to the kafer cup brace? Rear suspensionm and shock towers?
Keep the updates coming pls. Do you think there is a major change in power with the new cam?
Yip, exact same setup as the kaefer cup brace. Both shock towers tied together and each one linked to a frame-horn.
Have not had the chance to set the timing properly yet, I'll let you know once I have time.

Bugger, thanks. If I had known I would have done so. Luckily I am not using that clutch anymore.
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Don't want to hijack sorry. Bugger who can do the Nite rideding? I may need to do that some time. Thanks
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